gnossienne replied to your post: Gatiss and Moffat, there wouldn’t be a debate…
At least that puts to rest the debate over HOUN taking place in the middle of SCAN…I can’t believe that was even up for contention.
Yeah. I mean, people are free to think whatever they want, but it always seemed obvious to me that character development happened in a linear fashion. Especially for Sherlock. Clear as crystal.
Gatiss and Moffat, there wouldn’t be a debate about Sherlock’s timeline if the supplemental canon weren’t awful. Just saying.
I'm writing a post-Reichenbach fanfic, but I'm not as devoted or good at putting the dates together as you are. I thought I could rely on the supplemental canon before I read your takedowns of it. What is the least amount of time that could have passed from when Sherlock met John to when he faked his death?–Anonymous
1.5 years would be the most believable bare minimum. Adding a few more months wouldn’t hurt. Hope that helps.
Maybe some final thoughts on the matter:
Regardless of the details, the supplemental canon for BBC Sherlock is just plain wrong, for many different reasons. Especially regarding the timeline. We can debate about how exactly it fucked up, but it did fuck up.
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The ‘Sherlock’-time line revisited orWhy A Scandal in Belgravia is actually a time travel-device.
Uhm, okay, so I suppose this is maybe only really interesting for Seth because it’s about the timeline for John’s blog and I know he’s written (brilliant) posts about it already, but here’s some new input that… might make things even more complicated?
THERE ARE SPOILERS FOR SERIES TWO IN HERE GUYS!
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Yes, one possible “solution” to the timeline problem is saying that there’s literally a missing year somewhere. The supplemental canon implies that they met in 2011, of course, which bumps up the timeline an entire year. However, maybe they did meet in 2010 and thus we’ve got a phantom year between then and the beginning of series 2. Or, more likely (see below), there’s a year missing during series 2—most of that missing year is covered by Scandal, while there’s another gap before Reichenbach. (Sherlock needed time to do all of those cases and become super Internet famous, after all.)
I’m glad Sherlockology recently clarified that Scandal takes about a year. That’s how it should be, I think. The writers/actors said that series 2 starts nine months after Sherlock and John met. It means John didn’t immediately stop seeing Ella (a believable gap). It means the supplemental canon is just plain wrong.
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I went for Sherlock and John meeting in January of 2010 because the show was first aired in July 2010 - otherwise S1 would already have been placed “in the future” which didn’t really work out - in my mind, at least. Catching up and then going to the future with S2 makes more sense considering how long it’s probably going to take until S3/Sherlock’s return.I was actually asked to remove that tweet as a source by the way because it was only a guess on their part as well, so it’s not actually a confirmation that SCAN covers a year.
Nothing to add about the last part *g*
Well, that’s just the nature of fiction. Harry Potter takes place in the past due to the dates of certain events. Same difference. Bottom line: the actors/writers said that John and Sherlock “have been at it for nine months,” so there really can’t be a missing year between series 1 and series 2. They met in January of 201X and series 2 starts in September 201X. That’s it. Nine months. It’s easier to bump the timeline up to present day just because that’s the most recent installation.
Yeah, I edited it to be Sherlockology’s best guess. I agree with them.](http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyq3umqvMe1qfhc5go1_1280.jpg)
The ‘Sherlock’-time line revisited or
Why A Scandal in Belgravia is actually a time travel-device.Uhm, okay, so I suppose this is maybe only really interesting for Seth because it’s about the timeline for John’s blog and I know he’s written (brilliant) posts about it already, but here’s some new input that… might make things even more complicated?
THERE ARE SPOILERS FOR SERIES TWO IN HERE GUYS!
[…]
Yes, one possible “solution” to the timeline problem is saying that there’s literally a missing year somewhere. The supplemental canon implies that they met in 2011, of course, which bumps up the timeline an entire year. However, maybe they did meet in 2010 and thus we’ve got a phantom year between then and the beginning of series 2. Or, more likely (see below), there’s a year missing during series 2—most of that missing year is covered by Scandal, while there’s another gap before Reichenbach. (Sherlock needed time to do all of those cases and become super Internet famous, after all.)
I’m glad Sherlockology recently clarified that Scandal takes about a year. That’s how it should be, I think. The writers/actors said that series 2 starts nine months after Sherlock and John met. It means John didn’t immediately stop seeing Ella (a believable gap). It means the supplemental canon is just plain wrong.
[…]
I went for Sherlock and John meeting in January of 2010 because the show was first aired in July 2010 - otherwise S1 would already have been placed “in the future” which didn’t really work out - in my mind, at least. Catching up and then going to the future with S2 makes more sense considering how long it’s probably going to take until S3/Sherlock’s return.
I was actually asked to remove that tweet as a source by the way because it was only a guess on their part as well, so it’s not actually a confirmation that SCAN covers a year.Nothing to add about the last part *g*
Well, that’s just the nature of fiction. Harry Potter takes place in the past due to the dates of certain events. Same difference. Bottom line: the actors/writers said that John and Sherlock “have been at it for nine months,” so there really can’t be a missing year between series 1 and series 2. They met in January of 201X and series 2 starts in September 201X. That’s it. Nine months. It’s easier to bump the timeline up to present day just because that’s the most recent installation.
Yeah, I edited it to be Sherlockology’s best guess. I agree with them.
The ‘Sherlock’-time line revisited or
Why A Scandal in Belgravia is actually a time travel-device.Uhm, okay, so I suppose this is maybe only really interesting for Seth because it’s about the timeline for John’s blog and I know he’s written (brilliant) posts about it already, but here’s some new input that… might make things even more complicated?
THERE ARE SPOILERS FOR SERIES TWO IN HERE GUYS!
[…]
Yes, one possible “solution” to the timeline problem is saying that there’s literally a missing year somewhere. The supplemental canon implies that they met in 2011, of course, which bumps up the timeline an entire year. However, maybe they did meet in 2010 and thus we’ve got a phantom year between then and the beginning of series 2. Or, more likely (see below), there’s a year missing during series 2—most of that missing year is covered by Scandal, while there’s another gap before Reichenbach. (Sherlock needed time to do all of those cases and become super Internet famous, after all.)
I’m glad Sherlockology recently clarified guessed that Scandal takes about a year. That’s how it should be, I think. The writers/actors said that series 2 starts nine months after Sherlock and John met. It means John didn’t immediately stop seeing Ella (a believable gap). It means the supplemental canon is just plain wrong.
Anyway, the man writing the supplemental canon is a passive-aggressive douchebag who should lose his job. There’s no excuse for the poor quality of his writing (grammar), shitty characterization, obvious cutting of corners (Sherlock and Molly don’t bother to maintain their websites, Irene’s Twitter is lazy as fuck, John barely updates as it is), so on and so forth.
How do you know 6 months have passed since New Years, when she was revealed to be alive, and when Sherlock found her in his bed?–minopoke
minopoke asked:shit nvm, just reread your post so sorry!
I just want to put this here anyway:
Irene herself says six months during the Holmes brothers confrontation. ”I let Sherlock try to crack the code for six months” or something like that. They met in September and Sherlock saw the phone for the first time, yes, but he had no reason to care about the code. (Even if it’s six months since September, that’s March 2012.) He got the phone to fiddle with on Christmas, along with a reason to do so, which means… June 2012.
We know that September is the correct start for series 2 because the writers and actors kept saying it was nine months from when John and Sherlock met. January to September.
Happy Anniversary
Sherlock gave me the royal treatment today and I couldn’t figure out what was going on until I logged on to blog about it and then I realised that today’s the anniversary of the day we met. I forgot but he remembered, isn’t that…Assuming John didn’t have additional appointment with Ella ever since the one from A Study in Pink, when Ella says in the beginning of Reichenbach Fall,
“Eighteen months since our last appointment.”
…?? (Gauging my brain out because of the time time confusion)
Well, I’d say it’s perfectly reasonable that John visited with Ella after A Study In Pink. So. Last appointment is however many months down the line.
But, uh, there’s no possible way that “Irene is alive” and “Irene is in our flat” happened within 24 hours of each other. It’s completely wrong. It’s an obvious change in seasons, the CIA operative’s injuries have healed, there aren’t any Christmas decorations, Irene herself says “six months” which means at the EARLIEST she shows up in their flat is March, etc. etc. Irene talks about how John didn’t reveal the truth to anyone, so the supplemental canon just fucked it up. It’s an out of character mess at times, too. So, no. It’s wrong. We tweeted the guy who wrote it and asked about this, and he gave us a passive-aggressive smiley in response.
The Personal Blog of Dr. John H. Watson
Happy Anniversary
Sherlock gave me the royal treatment today and I couldn’t figure out what was going on until I logged on to blog about it and then I realised that today’s the anniversary of the day we met. I forgot but he remembered, isn’t that funny? Half the time he doesn’t even know what day of the week it is, but he remembered this.
Anyway, this probably isn’t going to do anything for those rumours that we’re secretly gay, but he wrote me this incredibly beautiful piece of music that he played earlier and then he made dinner for us both without me asking. I suspected that something was up, but I couldn’t figure it out. My first thought was that he was trying to guilt me into doing something. Now I feel bad for forgetting our ‘anniversary’ of sorts, so I’ll have to figure out some way to make it up to him.
Other than that, things have been relatively peaceful around here. We’ve been left undisturbed after the excitement at the beginning of the month, which is a relief. Sherlock’s been taking on some small cases, but he’s mostly preoccupied with figuring out this puzzle Irene Adler left him. Still, he seems to have recovered from the shock he got before when Irene was found ‘dead’ and gone back to normal, which is good. Funny, heartbreak is not something I thought I’d ever see from Sherlock Holmes, but there it was.
Can you believe that I’ve been living with Sherlock for a year? I can’t. It feels like it’s been much longer, but in a good way. Almost like I’ve never lived anywhere else. While no one expects to be flatmates with someone forever, I’m used to this thing with Sherlock. This has definitely been, in some ways, one of the best years I’ve had in a long time, and certainly exciting! Can’t imagine what this next twelve months is going to bring.
Cheers. I’ll try to write up some cases very soon.
10 Comments“Can’t imagine what this next twelve months is going to bring.”
REICHENBACH, JOHN. Just before half a year passes, it will bring Reichenbach.
(I’m going to sit in the corner and enjoy the domesticity of the post while it lasts. sob. But I love the blog entry.)
Well, actually, the supplemental canon’s dates are really, really wrong. So painfully fucking wrong. (The writer claims that 24 hours passed between Irene’s reveal and her showing up in their flat, which is Wrong.) On a real timeline, it’ll be another year and some before Sherlock dies. Makes John’s statement extra ironic.
About Sherlock and John in Hounds
I’ve seen several people disliking the development of Sherlock and John’s relationship in The Hounds of Baskerville. They see Sherlock as nothing but coldly manipulative, his apology as insincere and oportunistic and what Sherlock does in the episode ruins the Sherlock/John relationship for them.
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I’ve said this before, but their relationship and individual characterizations are exactly where they should be for this far along.
SUDDENLY A CUT TO DISCUSS THE TIMELINE AND COMPLAIN ABOUT COMPLAINING YET AGAIN—
So, my followers are already well aware that I fucking hate the supplemental canon for BBC’s Sherlock. (See my TIMELINE tag for more details.) I skimmed it when it updated, yes, but now I’m starting to analyze it…
Oh, that’s familiar. (Also this.) In fact, all of the comments on this entry sort of read like an exchange I’d write for Texts. That’s mildly enjoyable, at least. Finding some gems that I can reference later. For the purpose of my sanity, though, I don’t consider most of these series 2 updates to be canon. Too much of a trainwreck.
indigoire replied to your post: indigoire replied to your photo: The tinyurl links…
Agreed. And it showed such promise too…
classicjules replied to your post: indigoire replied to your photo: The tinyurl links…
Agreed. Sometimes I think the fans take this more seriously than the people paid to take it seriously. Which is even more maddening than just having someone fuck shit up. Because he’s probably getting paid, and then fucking it up.
Well, there’s only one thing to do while I watch it crash and burn.
indigoire replied to your photo: The tinyurl links back to the original post about…
Help, help, I’m feeling irrational (or is it?) hate for a man I’ve never even spoken to.
It’s god damn ridiculous, and further reduces my enjoyment of the show. Not by a lot, mind, but still it’s something. I’m disappointed. I’m disappointed that they let him publish this shit in the first place. Where were Moffat and Gatiss on this? Continuity checkers? Hello? Rejecting the supplemental canon because it sucks is not a happy decision for me.
The tinyurl links back to the original post about this. What a fucking professional.
i had a moment of sheer panic where i thought i was the one being yelled at and was like oh god i’m sorry forgive me - oh wait, no, it’s okay, he’s the dick
Oh my god, “oh wait, no, it’s okay, he’s a dick.” That made me fucking laugh. Even so,
The tinyurl links back to the original post about this. What a fucking professional.
That sure is a passive-aggressive-evading-the-question smiley right there.
Yeah, I’m pissed off about this. He completely wrecked the timeline and characterization both. I shudder to think of what he’ll do with the Reichenbach update. Shudder.